Alligator Wisdom

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  What percentage of witnesses do you think have viewed apostate web sites?

  by Paralipomenon in

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  humans are naturally curious creatures.

  we learn from experience better than words.

  so with the internet in almost every witness home, and the society constantly harping on people to avoid it, how many do you think have at least checked it out?

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  My opinion. About 80%.

  And from that, most of them found some real truth about the WTS. So many of them harbor ideas about the substance of the current teachings in the form of the buzz word "current understanding". Sure, they'll go along, for now, with the general flow of the WTS because they believe many of the central core doctrines that are taught. Some being the non-Trinitarian view, no hellfire, no immortal soul, paradise on earth and/or heaven..etc.

  Evidence shows that those who "HAVE" to teach topics that they now are unsure of and have no confidence in (such as 1914, seven trumpet blasts), they have no enthusiasm in their talks or presentations. Of course not. They don't believe it whole-souled.

  The only ones who will preach with such fervor about certain doctrines of the WTS that are exposed on XJW sites, are the ones who haven't seen these sites or are still hard-core believers in such topics.

  I'm confident to say that many JWs who viewed XJW/apostate web-sites are thinking twice about the company in the form of the WTS and the dealings of such. Such can be seen of the decline in donations.

  Of course, there may be a handful of JWs who will reject all XJW/Apostate sites if they stumble upon them. But only a handful.

  Just my opinion.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Public talk will be reduced to 30 minutes

  by martinjw7 in

  1. watchtower
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  have you heard about a letter for all congregations announced next new change in wts politics?.

  in letter is information that the time for the public talk will be reduced to 30 minutes.. does anyone have a copy?

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  I'll have to really wait and see if this really materializes. The poster starting this thread hasn't much of a history here. Also, I'd like to see if he'll respond to this thread anytime soon.

  Besides, I'm sure that there MUST be others here with insider information if this were true (i.e. elders, MS, insider friends at bethel branch locations...etc). If so, can you confirm this?

  I noticed that other rumors that ended up being true always had quick and sufficient backup evidence that was presented by any poster on JWD. Until then, I'm not buying this.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

  P.S. Could it be possible that this rumor was intended to be planted here and to see if any active JWs who comes to this site were to bring this topic up to members in their own congregation? If so, then the person mentioning this so-called "new arrangement" would be asked by the elders how he/she got this information?
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  Do you stll read the Magazines?

  by Save My Soul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently stopped because of the large amount of recycled information.

  do you still read them?

  i really need some new light!!!

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I'm checking if the counter works correctly for me and I notice that it doesn't.

  Nevermind.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Do you stll read the Magazines?

  by Save My Soul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently stopped because of the large amount of recycled information.

  do you still read them?

  i really need some new light!!!

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  Watkins :

  Off topic here. But I noticed you have two consecutive replies. The first one is numbered 29 of 29 and the second one is number 30 of 30. How is that possible?

  Shouldn't it be 29 of 30 and then 30 of 30?

  Yeah, I know. What is my point? I don't have one. Just an observation.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  China selling cardboard as a snack!!!

  by sammielee24 in

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  china is selling hunks of cardboard off the street, seasoned with msg, as a snack!

  this might be over in beijing but isn't anyone worried about what the heck is still getting into this country or if any of the 'snacks' we've aready eaten have been nothing but some fibre scraped off the sidewalk, slipped into plastic bags and sold as 'tasty treats'???

  sammieswife.

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  It's a scandal being exposed.

  These street vendors are supposed to be selling minced meat inside a hot bun. Instead they are replacing it with minced cardboard.

  The popular item/snack you are talkinb about is Cha siu baau

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cha_siu_baau

  Doesn't it remind you of the WTS? They are supposed to give "meat in due season". But instead....

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Who Likes 80's "Modern Rock"?

  by Open mind in

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I'd like to add to this great list :

  MIDNIGHT OIL

  DEVO

  ELVIS COSTELLO

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  BETHELITES - Whatever Became of?

  by Black Man in

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  i often times wonder what happened to certain bethelites that i ran around with during my 1990s tenure there.

  while there are still a few left there, the greater majority of them aren't there for various reasons (marriage, disillusionment, left the borg, etc).

  a couple of cats i wonder about - there was one brother who i believe was from kansas, who got his fingers cut off in a printing press.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I know plenty.

  One brother was in laundry for close to ten years. He left Bethel because it was boring for a person in his 20's to be leading a life which was getting him nowhere. Eventually he found his way back to his former congregation with his family and is still there now. He got a job at his father's business. He is using his former "Bethel" status and current elder position to try and find a wife in the JW organization who looks for a title in a man. I'm sure that any sister out there would be glad to know that he'll probably take care of the washing.

  One brother was in printing. I believe he was binding books. He was there for ten years. He left Bethel because of health reasons. The work was too hard for the small fragile frame he had (5'5" 120 lbs). He tried to tough it out, but it became too much for him. He found his way back to the area he was from and got married. He served for an elder in his wife's congregation for about three years before stepping down. He is now a casual JW. I wouldn't be surprised if he was lurking here.

  One brother was in shipping. He was a suave type of guy. Very handsome and many sisters in the circuit had their eye on him. They were sad when he went to NY. He was there for about five years before he just quit. No sisters in shipping to give him any eye candy or attention. He came back to his former congregation and got married within a year. He needed sex! Later, within the next two or three years, he got disfellowshipped for adultry.

  These are a few examples.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  MTS School

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when will the wts admit that this arrangement is a bust - financially, emotionally, aesthetically.

  mts was something that started in 1987 for those who wanted to pursue other avenues of services without having to go through bethel service.

  it originally was intended to be an abbreviated gilead course with brothers receiving assignments to go into the circuit work, missionary service, special pioneer work or to serve where the need was greater (which oftentimes translated to the boonies or starkly rural areas).

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  MTS develops company "Yes" men.

  In the area where I'm at, many if not all of the MTS graduates are not admired, honored nor are they approachable by the congregation. It seems that only the elders find them to be of good use. These MTS graduates are good in one thing and one thing only. They are excellent in making schedules.

  These ones develop a company attitude only because they are trained to be very organizational in a firm or business. The WTS Inc.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Baptism at age 11 next Saturday

  by Fatfreek in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just learned that one of my grandsons (whom i've never met) will be baptized on saturday.

  he will be twelve in november.

  what's happening within the publishing company to inspire this sort of thing?

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  What is the minimum age requirement for a male to be appointed to serve in a certain capacity, such as a ministerial servant? How about a female if she were to decided to pioneer six months after she gets baptized?

  I can see it now. Ten year old pioneers with some 16 year old ministerial servants taking the lead on a Saturday morning field service routine.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Elders Giving Personal Opinions as Counsel,How did it Affect You?

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hey everybody.

  when i was a witness one thing that drove me crazy was getting counsel from elders shooting personal opinions off their hip like it was from jehovah god himself.

  how many times at assemblies, wt articles, etc.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I knew an elder that hated sisters wearing jean skirts the meetings or on the ministry.

  I know a MS who was currently trying to enforce this rule. (BTW, he really has the itch to become an elder. In fact, that's all he talks about). He feels as if wearing denim means that it isn't good enough for Jehovah.

  I told him that this sister whom he was referring to "is a poor pioneer living on her own and is just scraping by to make a half way decent living and is making every effort to be regular to all the meetings and to pioneer. Why even think about her skirt being made from denim? Would Jesus even go there? No! Why? Because of love".

  Needless to say, this MS had nothing to say after that. He needed a lesson on how to have the mind of Christ.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)